Checking in With Nathan Sage, Iowa Democrat Running for Senate | Hello Merge Tag Ep. 45

When you have worry and you have anger, you have attention.

Marine. Mechanic. Sports Radio Host. Raised in a trailer park. Fighter for the working class. That’s how Nathan Sage describes himself.

He also calls himself a loudmouth. And a tattooed, hairy, fat guy who says it how it is.

At first glance, he looks and sounds almost MAGA. But he’s running for Senate as a proud progressive, aiming to be a voice for Iowans who have been left behind by both parties. And he’s running one hell of a digital program.

He joined me on the pod and we talked about the power of authenticity, what’s working on digital for him these days, why the messenger matters and so much more.

 

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Episode Transcript

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Josh Klemons: Marine, mechanic, sports radio host, raised in a trailer park, fighter for the working class. That’s how Nathan Sage describes himself. He also calls himself a loudmouth and a tattooed hairy fat guy who says it At first glance, he looks and sounds almost mega. but he’s running for Senate as a proud progressive aiming to be a voice for Ians who have been left behind by both parties. And he’s running one hell of a digital program. I’m excited to host him on the pod today to talk about what’s working for him on digital these days. So, Nathan, first of all, thank you so much for joining me. I really appreciate you making the time. I know you must be very busy.

Josh Klemons: you’ve never run for office before, but you’re making huge waves and an extremely consequential seat. How did this happen?

Nathan Sage: I think when you look at it,…

Nathan Sage: I think people are asking for a working-class candidate. People are wanting somebody that sounds like them, knows what the struggle of what they’re going through to speak and talk about it. And, I have a degree in mass communication. I know how to talk.  I was in radio for a while, so obviously I know, how to have conversations. And I think being someone who grew up the way I grew up, through what I went to Iraq, did all the things and can talk about it. I think speaking the way I speak in a digital fat platform, putting it out there for people to resonate with people because there it’s their thoughts, it’s their feelings, because I’m one of them. And especially here in Iowa, when I speak about the things that I’m speaking about, it’s what people are going through.

Nathan Sage: It’s what they’ve been going through. It’s what they’ve been asking for. They want someone. And that’s what mentioned. I’ve been busy. We doing the 99 county tour. We’ve learned that People are angry. And that’s what we’ve been going through. Working class people here in Iowa this whole time. So, I think that’s why is someone like themselves to speak on the issues and put it out there continuously a digital, you got to put it out there. You got to putting content out there. Keep push pushing as much as you possibly can. And I think that’s why we’re in the position we’re in because I think at the end of the day, we need working-class representation. Especially if you look at Washington DC, made up of 98% generational wealth. We need only 2% come from the working class. We need working class representation. People know that and they’re excited for someone that sounds like them.

Nathan Sage:

Josh Klemons: Do people care more about your background or…

Josh Klemons: your values or is it impossible to separate those two? I’m curious which is resonating more out in the world.

Nathan Sage: I think when it comes to it, people are interested in my background. They’re very interested in where I come from, what I’m doing, but also every everywhere we’ve ever been, everywhere, somebody comes up, shakes my hand, and goes, “You’re real.” Because They haven’t had those real people, the real talk, what we’re really going through. And I think so background resonates with people. But I think speaking the way I speak about the issues, being very blunt, being very honest and forthright. I think a lot of people are like,…

Nathan Sage: Yes, this is exactly what we need.” Because’ had We’ve had the same politicians come in, say the same things, and nothing changed. And I think they see change. It’s almost like they see it in me and then they hear it and they’re like, ” is this guy’s talking about what we’re talking about.

Josh Klemons: Yeah. your working-class identity.

Josh Klemons: A lot of progressives talk about meeting working-class voters where they are, but so many in DC, don’t actually have any idea who workingass folks are. So, I have to imagine that’s a huge impediment for them and…

Josh Klemons: an opportunity for you to be able to talk to people and like not say I feel your pain, but literally, dude, I* feel your pain. we’re on the same page right here,

Nathan Sage: That’s also my frustration as well.

Nathan Sage: Honestly, when we have the other candidates, across the board that say things like, “I know what it’s like to work in a working class family. I know what it’s like to grow up in, economic pro poverty. I know what it’s like to go through things.” It’s like they start saying it after I’ve already been talking about my life after I’ve because they understand that’s what people are wanting and so for me that that’s the frustrating part is like now everybody’s a working-class candidate now everybody’s gone through this and gone through problems that we’ve never heard from before but for me it’s people that are understand…

Nathan Sage: because we speak a certain way we talk a certain way and that’s why everybody always like you cuss that’s how we f***** talk that’s how we chat. That’s how we joke. That’s why people know that I’m not the run-of-the-mill politician.

Josh Klemons: Yeah, I’ll jump ahead to a question I had later.

Josh Klemons: So, I work with a candidate who curses a lot. she’s a woman and most folks don’t care, but the people who care care so much. And I am curious if you’ve been getting a lot of push back as I’m curious as a guy if people give you the same s*** that they give her or if it’s like no you can get by with it because you look like because you grow up in a trailer park and people are like yeah whatever it is what it

Nathan Sage: You know what is funny? It’s older women that are not scared to tell me at all how they feel. And they will come up and it’s always funny to me because you’ll have one that will be really sweet and be like, “Nathan, you’re saying the right things. I love what you stand for. I love your history. I love everything about you, but you got to stop cussing.” And then right behind her in line is another exact same woman comes up and goes, “Love what you’re saying, but you got to be angry. You got to cuss more. let them don’t stop fighting.” I feel like that’s that fine line that I’m walking right now. Yeah.

Josh Klemons: And I mean it is pretty rare. again I worked with this one candidate so I’m very tapped into it but you’re dropping f bombs I’m like whatever. I mean which is how real people talk and to me it’s who you are. trying to pretend somebody else is literally the antithesis of what you’re doing. But it is funny to have people being like maybe you could just be a little bit more like them, try to help you out as if they understand who you’re talking to.

Josh Klemons: So okay so you were new to politics when you jumped into this race. I assume you started your social channels at zero, but you’ve grown very large following since getting in. What’s worked for you best to grow and reach your audience?

Nathan Sage: I mean,…

Nathan Sage: it’s a lot of trial by error, You got to obviously we had a great video, we had a great people produc help us with that, put that out there that ga gathered a lot of attention and then once you get their attention, it’s keeping that attention.

Josh Klemons: Yeah. What do you do with it?

Nathan Sage: So, you got to keep putting You keep talking. You got to keep putting the issues out there. When something pops up on social media, you got to talk about it. And you got to try everything. we did a Zoom meeting with Jasmine Crockett back in July, and she was very adamant about Nathan, you’re a no-name politician. You got to be everywhere. Podcasts, TV, newspaper, you got to try everything, especially digital. You got to go everywhere and be on everything.  And so for me, putting it out there, being willing to have the conversations with my staff and be like, “Hey, maybe you could try saying it a little bit differently.” But it’s also that fine line because for me, how I talk and how I am is me. when people call me real, I don’t want people to ever think that I’m being fake or being, not who I am.

Nathan Sage: So, it’s that fine line of that those are good things I need to make sure I’m talking about, but I also got to say it in a manner that is me and a manner that people are going to resonate with people. And I think that’s the key. And I think that’s what we’ve done is put content out for people to see He’s talking about the issues in a real manner that you just don’t see politicians doing. And I think that is what needs to be done, not just here in Iowa, but across the country.

Josh Klemons: Has it been natural for you to be I’m not going to call you a social first campaign.

Nathan Sage: We’re tired of the talking points. We’re tired of the stupid jokes. Be who you are. Speak. Your vibe will come through. And that’s what people see on, digital platforms.

Josh Klemons: You’re doing counties in 99 days. Clearly, you’ve got a much larger campaign, but what I see is the digital side and…

Josh Klemons: you feel like a digital native to me and I’m curious if is that true or has it been like you’ve had to process the idea that a f*** I got to make a video today.

Nathan Sage: It’s kind of like when I was in radio,…

Nathan Sage: I used to make advertising all the time and…

Josh Klemons: Okay. Sure.

Nathan Sage: write ads and practice those. So, it’s kind of like that for me. I’m not used holding the camera. So, if you watch a lot of times I’m walking because it’s just more comfortable for me to be moving around.

Nathan Sage: In general though, talking to people about issues or talking in general, that’s not the problem for me. It’s just putting my hairy, fat, tattooed ass out in front of everybody to let them know who I actually am instead of just voice.  So,

Josh Klemons: Yeah, absolutely.

Josh Klemons: Just real quickly, I am curious your content workflow. So, yeah, there’s some stuff where you’re holding the camera, but then you’ve also got a team with you capturing moments. I’m just curious how much so many campaigns digital is clearly an afterthought. They’re like, ” we did this cool thing. Let’s like what could we pull together?” But it doesn’t feel like that with you. you’re out of town halls, you’re meeting people, you got camera. I’m just curious how much is your campaign investing in digital? is it that your campaign manager is standing next to you with a camera or do you have a digital person with you? I think so many folks see social as an afterthought which is a huge detriment to their campaign. So I’m just trying to help folks learn from folks who are actually investing in it.

Nathan Sage: It’s not really as complex as what people think it is and doesn’t have to be that way. We do have a digital guy that helps edit videos and…

Nathan Sage: do things like that. I get on him more about the music because I’m the way I like when it comes to music. Y right.

Josh Klemons: It’s very heavy music.

Josh Klemons: It’s awesome.

Nathan Sage: But then it is my campaign manager. It is my staff. It is people at the events. multiple cameras, making sure you’re capturing as much as you possibly can, video, audio, pictures, whatever you can because it’s about building that content and then producing it and putting it out there. And you never know what you’re really going to get. Obviously, sometimes I’ll speak in a crowd and you get one that went the one that blows me away, we were doing a event in Cedar Rapids and it was the girl talking about the bailout for Argentina and…

Josh Klemons: All right.

Nathan Sage: I was answering that question and that got so many views and many reactions and I was like I didn’t even do anything like they just asked me a question I answered it but it was that we had the camera behind her that actually saw that you had the audio from it which picked that up and…

Josh Klemons: I’ve seen a lot of your content,…

Nathan Sage: all of that together puts for that that moment that people are capturing and says it helps them the environment understand what’s going on and I think that’s what you need you need staff members you need people willing to just throw up that camera always have it ready to  Yeah. Yeah.

Josh Klemons: but I approach it differently when I’m talking to you. That was I think in your top two or three posts of all your channels.

Josh Klemons: that video was at I have a platform that helps me easily see which content was the best or as far as numbers and yeah I think that was number two after the launch video or maybe even number one like that thing really blew up and again like you said the audio wasn’t good right on her she didn’t have a microphone but y’all added captions but the anger from her and…

Josh Klemons: from you came through and anger is not even the right word the passion she was angry and you had passion about in your answer and so many people overthink the hell out of this and they’re like we got to have the workshop I was like, “No.” “What do you actually think?” So, no, I love it. yeah. I’m curious. So, you’ve had some viral moments, including your stellar launch video. So, assume I mean, I don’t have the analytics on your pages, but I assume your audience is larger than Iowa. Do you all see that as an all positive or is it a give and do you and your team worry about reaching an audience beyond Iowa? It’s like, no, that’s how we win. Okay.

Nathan Sage: Yeah. I have not worried about it.

Nathan Sage: For me, it is about just put it out there, let people see it. And all it grows organically is really, I mean, we do have, our staff push pushes and stuff, but at the end of the day, it growing organically to me is the best way to do it. because you can’t always rely on everything. you want to make sure when it’s organic that and that’s the thing about it too is like you mentioned that that one I just did was I think what the reason why things like that work and happen is because you mentioned it is authenticism. People even in digital clips are tired of the fake. They’re tired of they can’t tell if or if it’s real. They can’t tell if this guy’s really like this or not.

Nathan Sage: With moments like that, you can tell it’s just a real everyday conversation moment. And I think that’s what grabs people attention is like he’s not being fake. She’s not. This is a real moment in time. And I think that’s…

Nathan Sage: what is the organic nature of it really helps. What we’re doing here, especially when it comes to a campaign, is people don’t want that fake video from a campaign. They want to see what this guy’s really about.

Josh Klemons: Yeah. you’ve alluded to a couple already,…

Josh Klemons: but …

Josh Klemons: what issues are you finding resonate the most for you both online but also in real life? what are the issues that people are really latching on to right now? you’ve got your finger to the pulse of your community a way that so few people have an opportunity to do. So yeah, what should we be talking about more as a party? Yeah.

Nathan Sage: I think…

Nathan Sage: what in general what we’re seeing what we’ve got gathered especially in attention wise is a lot of the stuff that’s going on with Pete Hagath and Donald Trump talking up doing what they’re doing with our soldiers because for me I can speak on it on a different  level because I was a Marine and I was a soldier. I served in Iraq. I can talk about it, on a different wavelength than a lot of people. I think that’s one thing in the 99 county tour that we’ve gotten where people were just shocked about what they’re seeing on TV, what they’re hearing, what they’re going through. And I think talking about those issues specifically and how we’re invading our own streets and having those I think that work that is something. And then the other thing that you saw with the one we just did that we just talked about was farmers.

Nathan Sage: when it’s what happens with the tariffs when we’re talking about the impact of the Midwest and the farmers and what people are going through on the ground with tariffs as well as this big beautiful bill and you’re seeing the cuts to Medicaid those major issues right there military in our streets farmers dealing with tariffs bankruptcies at a high rate and then medic Medicaid cuts from this big beautiful bill that are affect people are very worried and angry and when you have worry and you have anger you have attention and you have people going you have

Nathan Sage: people looking for that content to find answers and hoping that someone’s talking about that. So, I think if people can talk more about that and what we can do on our end to help with the tariffs or help with the,…

Nathan Sage: stop what we’re seeing with soldiers in the streets, have those conversations organically, I think you can get those views, you can get those clicks, and you can get attention that you need. And I think that’s what’s really helped us out is just, it sounds bad to say this, but this administration and these politicians are kind of throwing us softball sometimes. …

Josh Klemons: So yeah,…

Josh Klemons: how have you seen your digital program translate into volunteers, donors, and field turnout?

Nathan Sage: obviously when we have good digital stuff, we see donations coming in. We see volunteers specifically. We see a lot of pe what sucks is many times we see people not from Iowa going man I wish I could vote for this guy or man I’m not there but I could volunteer. So we see people when we do our volunteer calls coming across the country. A lot of them not from Iowa will come in and go hey I saw this on TikTok. I saw here would love to be able to just support you any way I can. If that’s donations or if that’s making phone calls, if that’s sending out letters,…

Nathan Sage: whatever it is. And that’s where I think you get the most out of the digital is the help. Because when it comes to a campaign, it’s not just me doing this and speaking. It’s the behind the scenes. It’s the staff that work day in and day out to help me be where I am and help me get that message out.

Josh Klemons: You were the president of the Knoxville Chamber of Commerce before running for office,…

Josh Klemons: which is not always a path to becoming a Democratic elected official or nominee. What do you wish more chambers and business quote unquote business folks understood about the current political environment? sorry.

Nathan Sage: I’ll say this.

Nathan Sage: I was the executive director of the 19 and…

Josh Klemons: How about you?

Nathan Sage: I was a oneman show. especially when it comes to rural Iowa, what I wish they knew more about is when it comes to politics in rural Iowa and it comes to talking to small businesses, politics is not talked about.  We talk about what we need to do in our communities to make our businesses better. What’s going to work out to make that better? And for me, when I’m talking to businesses about trying to help, that’s when the politics starts to come in. Because, for example, we’re trying to figure out how we can make our businesses in Knoxville, Iowa, have employees that have reliable child care because that’s a very concern. People have to take care of their kids.

Nathan Sage: And so in Knoxville, we created a child care solutions fund where businesses were paying in to help offset the cost of child care and offset the cost of employees and giving them better pay. That was people understanding there’s a problem. The political part comes in when you have Kim Reynolds in Iowa, the governor, who has money coming in from the federal government that would help towards that,…

Josh Klemons: Mhm.

Nathan Sage: denying that money, and then we have to come up with our own solutions for it. So you end up You end up talking about just solutions to make your community better. And that’s one thing for me is I like to tell everybody for me I’m not here to be a Democrat, independent, What I’m here is because 98% of Washington DC is made of generational wealth and only 2% come the working class. I’m here for proper representation of everybody and that includes pe business owners that are Republicans or Democrats because at the end of the day, we’re all in this community together trying to better our lives in this rural area,…

Nathan Sage: this rural small area, and we can sit here and talk about Trump. We can talk about this. That’s not going to fix our solutions. We working together, regardless of our political affiliation, is how we’re going to get things done.

Josh Klemons: Are you finding that Republicans and…

Josh Klemons: independents are showing up and getting excited about you?

Nathan Sage: So we’ve had Republicans show up. one of my first events in Iowa City, we had a woman and a husband come up and I tell everybody it shocked me. They’re like, “I didn’t know who the hell you were, Nathan, until my Trump loving Republican son sent me your launch video and said, “This is the guy I would vote for.” And then we get a girl in Council Bluffs who was like, “I’ve been a Republican since I was 17 years old.” And when my mom said, “The only way you stay in my house is if you are a Republican.”  and she came to our event and she said,”Nathan, nobody’s fighting for us and you look like you’re willing to fight for us.” and that goes back to I’ in my core belief. I don’t believe it’s about Republicans and Democrats. I believe It’s about all of us in this human experience what is going to make my life better right now? What is helping me right now? who is really fighting for me? And when people hear me, meet me, and speak to me, they know that I’m just one of them.

Nathan Sage: And so I think that’s what resonates with people. and that’s why Republicans and we’re in northwest Iowa, reddest part of Iowa.

Nathan Sage: We have independents showing up. We have, and I will tell you the people that are most crucial or most critical about me cussing are the Republicans, by the way. But yeah,…

Josh Klemons: They’re fine when Trump does it,…

Josh Klemons: but you should never. Is that the idea?

Nathan Sage: it’s like we were in Cherokee, Iowa, and we were at a diner and some girl was a Republican. She goes, “Love everything you said. Love it.  but if you want us to vote for you, you got to stop dropping the word. And I was like, I didn’t even say it this time. So, you’re right.

Josh Klemons: She’s been watching you online, I guess, so many before you and quite a few this cycle, you found yourself on the wrong end of the establishment. from what I’ve gathered, one of your initial opponents was actually pushed out of the race outright to make room for the DSCC’s chosen candidate. You and at least one other candidate have obviously said thanks, but no thanks. I assume you were always going to run as an outsider, but how is getting pushed by National Dems affected your campaign?

Nathan Sage: when it looks at it, I think it helps in the long run.

Josh Klemons: Okay.

Nathan Sage: I think people are tired on both of the I’m going to just say this. I’m going to tell you it. Chuck Schumer picks candidates like Cleveland Brown pick quarterbacks. They all start out with a lot of hype and we end up losing and the team continues to lose. And right now, we can’t lose. And I think people are tired of someone on the east coast, someone on the west coast, especially here in Iowa, telling Ians about who they should be voting for, why they should be voting, when actuality, And Ians are looking for that candidate to talk about those issues that resonate with them.

Josh Klemons: Yeah.

Nathan Sage: And what better than someone who’s an Iowa working-class dude that is already going through the same stuff they’re going through. So, for me, I look at it as a badge of honor. Chuck Schumer doesn’t like Good for him. I don’t like you either. You shouldn’t be leading this party. You’re a coward. Let’s go forward. So, for me, I’m just going to re repping that and saying, “Yeah, I am the outsider and I like being the outsider. I like being the underdog because that’s what we need as an outsider.

Nathan Sage: We need new people, new leadership in Washington, DC.

Josh Klemons: Hell yeah.

Josh Klemons: Last cycle I ran digital for Dan Osborne’s Senate campaign in Nebraska. y’all are very different candidates and very different people, but there’s definitely a lot of overlap to how you’re both approaching politics. one thing we had going for us that we were running against an awful incumbent who literally wouldn’t ever talk to anyone ever the entire campaign. She never spoke with a single person. does not having an incumbent to run against make your life easier or harder?

Josh Klemons: And would you like to take a quick victory lap for helping push Joanie? We’re all gonna die earned out of receipt.

Nathan Sage: I’ll say this.

Nathan Sage: I think it’s interesting not having an incumbent but when you look at the Republican side of things here in Iowa, we still have Ashley Henson who is literally just another Joanie Erns vote.

Josh Klemons: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Sage:

Nathan Sage: Same voting record, same thing. So for me you can still swing on the same issues. You can still talk about the same issues in the same light. And I was in the room when Joanie Erns said we were all gonna die. I was at that town hall in Parkersburg, Iowa at 7:30 in the morning on a Friday because that’s the only time they want to hold those meetings.

Josh Klemons: God.

Nathan Sage: I will say am I happy that she’s gone? Obviously it’s great that she’s not going to run. She kept her promise, but I would have loved to go as a veteran myself. I have so many veterans on, over my shoulder going, you need to hammer her for being on Doge and being okay with the cuts to the VA workers because if you leave a man, we got taught you don’t ever leave a man behind. And she’s leaving a lot of men behind by making those cuts to the VA. So, I would have loved to been able to keep hitting on that because it pissed me off.

Nathan Sage: But at the end of the day, I don’t care who it is. I’m not here to necessarily battle Ashley Henson or battle Joy H. I’m here to represent people in Iowa and I feel like that is something that has been sorely lacking is real representation across Iowa.

Josh Klemons: I was going to ask about Ashley Henson,…

Josh Klemons: but I think you covered it, so we’re good on that front. what do you think Democratic strategists consistently get wrong about digital organizing or reaching voters like the ones you’re talking to every day?

Nathan Sage: I think they keep trying to put videos together. I think there’s a lot of it about like I said earlier, you need to be organic. You need to be authentic. you need to be who you are. People want to see their candidate be…

Josh Klemons: Sure.

Nathan Sage: who they really are as a person because I feel like when you do that from the way I look at it, when I’m looking at a candidate and they’re coming off as fake, you don’t know how fake that is. But when someone’s talking in a real, they get a little angry, they put a little spice to themselves, maybe a little cuss word here and there, and when they’re speaking truly and you can tell that, and I think that resonates more with people. So, I would tell Be who I tell my kids Be who you really are. Don’t try to be something you’re not. Be who you are. And if people like it, people want it, you’re gonna get what you want out of that. Don’t try to be somebody’re Don’t try to be, I don’t know, dancing to music. you would never like in Iowa. I’m a metal. I like tulle. I like slip knot.

Nathan Sage: I like slip knot. You’ll see line dancing. You’ll never see me listening to country music and singing about my truck or my dog. I wouldn’t.

Josh Klemons: Okay. …

Josh Klemons: yeah. Anything? who are is there anybody you’re looking to for inspiration when it comes to digital, political or otherwise, or y’all are just figuring it out as you go, one day at a time?

Nathan Sage: That’s interesting. I mean, my staff, they have a lot of people they like to look at on Tik Tok and all the Instagram and…

Nathan Sage: all that stuff. For me, I love listening to sports radio,…

Josh Klemons: Hm. Sure. Mhm.

Nathan Sage: stuff like that, I don’t pattern myself as like a Stephen A, but I like his fire sometimes, obviously. So, when I talk about things and I get a little fired up, it’s kind of that just because who I am. but I also like people like Rich Eisen who are a little bit calmer and talking about issues in a different way. So, for me,…

Nathan Sage: that’s who I lean to. I don’t really follow a lot of people myself. I’ve always been kind of just a scroller, you know what I mean? checking out,…

Josh Klemons: there. Yeah,…

Nathan Sage: I don’t have any favorite followers or things like that. And that’s what’s always funny to me is when we go to these parades, when we go to these events and people “I saw you on TikTok. I saw you on this.” And it’s like, “Yeah, but I’m not used to people saying that.

Josh Klemons: I know.

Nathan Sage: Just used to being Nathan.” You know,…

Josh Klemons: Yeah. how can folks get involved in the campaign?

Nathan Sage: sageforcate.com. Check us out. you can volunteer there. You can donate there. You can be a part of that. and any help, we’ll take it all. cash, volunteers, whatever we can do to keep this train going to properly represent people in Iowa.

Nathan Sage: That’s what we got to do. Check us out. sageforsenate.com right on the thing right there.

Josh Klemons: Yeah, for the YouTube folks,…

Josh Klemons: it’s been on the wall the whole time if you didn’t notice it.

Nathan Sage: And we’re on every platform.

Josh Klemons: Yeah.

Nathan Sage: We’re on social media obviously everywhere. So us out on Follow us. Share our videos. put it out there. Let people know. The biggest thing, like I said earlier, is getting my Nathan Sage name and my hairy fat mug out there.

Josh Klemons: I really appreciate you taking the time and yeah, this was really fun and it’s always fun to get to talk to people who I’ve been watching their content and whatnot and getting to ask you questions. It’s like why I started the podcast because I’m just such a nerd for this stuff and this was great. I really enjoyed it. So, thank you so much.